随便谈谈关于Fate系列的补番顺序

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minor-fareast;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin">的补番顺序,果不其然,又是一番战火。



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但是,撕解决不了问题,也说服不了对方,而且搞不好还把来问问题的萌新吓得不行。




这里无意讨论“三部动画哪个更好”,每个人审美要求不同,本来就不可能达成共识。我们只来谈谈补番的顺序和取舍,呵护一下萌新。



 




一.要不要看06



 





06版作为最早的fate动画,很多人都是从它开始了解fate,看看那个楼里战火就知道了。很多人的第一眼印象,十年的情怀、川井宪次优秀的音乐、淡淡的情感表现,这些都是06版吸引人的地方。另一方面,毕竟是十年前的动画,制作水准跟如今的动画肯定不能比(凛的人设倒是非常漂亮),剧情改编方面也有不少问题(很多人说了 我就不说了)。



 



06版的一个特征就是,很大可能看完会中王毒。漫区前几天就有个非常典型的例子,他表示自己看完之后心里空空的然后迷上了saber。这是剧情改编偏向saber的结果,不是说这样不好,也不是说这样好,只是说一个事实。



 



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mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin">毕竟补番是补不了情结的。



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 最后说一句,不管是什么样的观看顺序,都强烈推荐看完之后补《幻想嘉年华》里的Fate部分,这条非常重要!







最后,一百个观众眼里有一百个哈姆雷特,看动画说到底是个娱乐 开心就好,不要有那么多执念 让萌新们自由成长不也挺好。
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补充:有些jr可能觉得 先玩游戏比较好。我理解这种想法 但是毕竟上来直接玩游戏不太“新人友好”,特别是现在的动画受众面变广,很多并不是传统意义上的“宅”,玩不来galgame的。大部分都是出于“想看动画”的目的来问补番顺序 而不是“了解型月”。推荐游戏的话,只能说是“推荐感兴趣的话可以尝试”,有兴趣的自然会继续了解。




动画观看地址:


FZ                http://www.bilibili.com/video/av1608918/ 


幻想嘉年华    http://www.bilibili.com/bangumi/i/1732/ (可以先试试看第5集、第8集、第9集这些)

最后安利个属于EMIYA们的MAD


贴几个经典音乐





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我觉得推荐首先玩游戏的人都是非常不负责任的,人家入坑你要求选个最难的。 光是去找游戏下载就吓跑一堆新人了,更不要说枯燥无味的电子书式鼠标点击,这些都是厨做的事。所谓入坑就是看个ubw特效,说一句红A好帅啊,闪闪该死,这才是入坑。

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