【美国JRs之声】格里芬联手威少?还是去绿军推翻詹姆斯统治?健康的他是TOP 7?

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[–]SpursBearsNecessity
"Blake Griffin can sign a five-year deal worth $175 million with L.A., or a four-year deal worth $130 million with another team. The Celtics and Thunder are two teams that will make a bid for Griffin, according to several executives. "



布雷克-格里芬可以在今年夏天与快船签下一份五年1.75亿美元的长约,除了快船,他也可以与其他球队签下一份4年1.3亿的合同。据多位球队经理人的消息称,目前凯尔特人和雷霆对格里芬有意。

[–]CelticsOrangeKookie 307 指標 14小時前

doesn't OKC have no cap space

雷霆?难到他们不会受工资帽限制么?

[–]SpursParkBaller27 207 指標 14小時前

Okc has a team buily around kd still.

They need to just keep wb and maybe adams and blow it up

雷霆的阵容还是当初围绕杜兰特搭建的,他们只需要留住威少,也许还有亚当斯,然后迎来爆发。

[–]Celticsvagrantwade 63 指標 14小時前

Probably. But if you are blowing it up why would you want a highly injury prone Griffin? You have the star power on the roster to put people in the seats already.

可能吧,但是如果你想进一步提升球队,又为啥要选病秧子格里芬呢?雷霆现在阵中的大前锋已经可以让球迷满意了。

[–]mossadlovesyou 129 指標 13小時前

A team like OKC doesn't get to pick which stars it wants. It has to get talent to come to OKC even if flawed. The elite free agents aren't going to sign there, so if you have a chance at one, even if they are injury prone, you take him.

雷霆这样的小城市球队是没法选到他们心仪的球星的。他们只能选一些有天赋的球员,即使这些球员存在各种隐患缺陷。那些自由市场上的大鱼不会选择雷霆的,所以假如你有机会签下其中一位的话,不管是不是有伤病隐患,还是赶紧拿下吧。

[–]San Diego ClippersDoitforthechesty 16 指標 13小時前

For one Blake is from Oklahoma City and still beloved by Oklahoma alumn. So a home coming for him isn't out of the cards whereas it's highly unlikely PG would go there

Secondly when healthy he's a top ten player. That's a huge if but like with Dwight if you can get that guy you get him

第一,格里芬出生于俄城,毕业于俄克拉荷马大学,他在俄城仍然深受爱戴。所以回家对他来说并不是不可接受,尽管保罗-乔治应该不会去雷霆了。
第二,健康的格里芬仍然是联盟前十的球员。尽管存在很大的不确定性,但就像霍华德当年的交易一样,当你有机会得到他时,还是该签下他。

[–]Grizzliesjesseninja 81 指標 11小時前

This is why the Grizzlies signed Parsons. It's a risk you have to take if you're a small market team.

这和灰熊当年签下帕森斯的原因如出一辙。作为小城市球队,有些风险是必须承担的。

[–]mossadlovesyou 19 指標 11小時前

True. You can always be a middling small market team that never contends, but if you want to compete for a championship you have to take risks. When was the last time a small market (not including Cleveland, actually including them considering they risked it with Love) competed for a championship? I believe it was Orlando. They had success because they took a risk on Hedo and Rashard Lewis to pair with Dwight.

没错。作为一个中小球市球队,可以每年打打酱油陪太子读书,但是如果你想争冠的话,你必须承担一些风险。上一次有小城市球队(不包括骑士啊,如果非要包括的话可以认为他们冒着风险换来了乐福)争冠是哪一年的事情了?我觉得是2009年的奥兰多魔术吧,他们承担了特科格鲁和拉沙德-刘易斯的风险,让他们做为霍华德身边的助手,结果他们算是成功了。

[–] Steve Nashrobyculous 13 指標 10小時前

The Spurs are a well run small market team.

马刺就是个运转良好的小城市球队啊。

[–]mossadlovesyou 14 指標 9小時前

Oh definitely. But let's not forget they tanked to get Duncan during a time when that wasn't really done. The org let Pop step down from the front office to coach the team. The Spurs devoted more resources to international scouting before most teams, the Spurs style of play was not very traditional either. When you analyze it the Spurs really pushed the limit in different ways.

啊是没错。但是别忘了他们在此之前为了得到邓肯摆烂的那一年。球队让波波维奇离开决策组去执教球队。相比联盟其他球队,马刺很早就投入了大量精力资源招揽优秀的国际球员。马刺的篮球哲学也不是传统的美式篮球。如果你研究马刺会发现,他们的确在很多方面打破了以往的束缚。




[–]Pistonsyupthup 8 指標 10小時前

Westbrook salary 2017-2018: $28,530,608

Adams salary 2017-18: $22,471,910

So $50m in those two players, about half the cap right there.

Add in a max free agent (30%) and you're looking pretty sparse

威少下赛季工资:$28,530,608
亚当斯下赛季工资:$22,471,910
他俩的工资总和就差不多$50m了,差不多占了全队工资帽的一半。
如果加上自由球员顶薪合同(工资帽30%),真的没有什么薪资空间了。
注:劳资协议规定,在NBA打了0-6年的球员重新签约时第一年的顶薪为工资帽的25%,7-9年的球员是30%,10年以上的球员则是35%。

[–]Wolves BandwagonNOPEitsTuckChesta 2 指標 5小時前

I don't think okc has time to blow it up. Westbrook's gonna be 29 this year, he's in his prime right now. If okc blows it up they'll need to rebuild FAST.

我不认为雷霆还有时间迎来爆发,威少今年即将年满29,目前处于巅峰期。如果雷霆想在短期内获得成功的话他们得尽快重建。

[–]CelticsOrangeKookie 46 指標 14小時前

they're above 10 million above the cap

they need to move Oladipo/kanter + other big salary pieces to shed 40 million

雷霆目前的薪资总额超过工资帽一千多万美元。
他们需要清理掉奥拉迪波和坎特以及其他一些大合同才能腾出四千万的薪金空间。

[–] Andre Iguodalaelektritekt 6 指標 12小時前

And Kanter is going to be pretty hard to move with his contract + him being a PnR liability.

坎特的合同很难清理,另外他防挡拆的能力也不行。

[–]CelticsInAingeWeTrust 15 指標 14小時前

That's true but they are 10Million over the cap and so they would have to get rid of about 30-40 Million in cap space to even be able to sign him.

没错,他们超过工资帽1000万,所以他们得腾出大概3000万到4000万的薪资空间去签下格里芬。

[–]Thundermalowry0124 5 指標 13小時前

I'm pretty sure the only way to get him without blowing up our team is a sign-and-trade

我确定,想要在不影响球队现有态势的同时得到格里芬,唯一的方法就是先签后换。

[–]ThunderTheGhostOfBobStoops 9 指標 11小時前

Anyone who thinks the thunder is gonna pursue Griffin is being stupid. We don't need another big, we need a solid 3 player. Every off season a rumor about OKC pursuing someone happens, and every year it's a smokescreen for something else. I say OKC is pursuing Butler, but that's a long shot.

你们这些以为雷霆会追求格里芬的人都疯了吧。我们不需要其他内线了,我们需要稳定的三分手。每个休赛期,都会有一些留言成真,也会有些仅仅是个烟雾弹。要我说,雷霆正在追求巴特勒,不过那几乎是不可能的。

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonSuperfobio 16 指標 11小時前

If Griffin wants to come here at all, there is not a chance in hell we wouldn't do everything possible to get him here. He doesn't fill a hole in our roster, but he is top 10 when healthy and a small market team like OKC would have to be retarded to pass up talent like that.

I would vastly prefer a PG13, or a Jimmy B, or even Hayward. But there's almost no chanve that any of those guys are looking at OKC and saying "I want to live there." The only thing we can sell those guys is building a contender, but if you look at our roster and cap situation, it's a hard sell.

如果格里芬的确想来,我们也不是没可能会尽其所能签下他。他没法填补我们阵中的一些缺陷,但他健康的时候的确是联盟前十的球星,而且像雷霆这样的小城市球队,错过这样的天才简直太傻了。
我会更倾向于泡椒或吉米巴特勒,甚至海伍德。但是这些人几乎都不会考虑雷霆,更别提会希望来俄城了。我们的所有卖点就是我们正在组建一支有能力冲击总冠军的球队,但是如果你看看我们现在的阵容和薪金空间,这个卖点很难有说服力。

[–]ThunderIHaveAPersian 118 指標 14小時前

At first I was against the idea of a Blake Griffin joining the Thunder, but I'm not trying to see Russ waste his prime. He needs another star and that is exactly what Blake is.

一开始我不希望格里芬来雷霆,但是我不想看到威少在雷霆虚度光阴,他需要明星级别的帮手,无疑格里芬就是那个帮手。

[–]LakersCanYouDigit34 48 指標 14小時前

not sure how that combo would work, but they would be fun to watch at least.

不知道他俩搭档的效果如何,但是至少看上去会挺有趣的。

[–]ThunderIHaveAPersian 63 指標 14小時前

It's hard to say, but it's better than what we have now.

难说。但至少比现在强。

[–]LakersCanYouDigit34 27 指標 14小時前

yup, WB definitely needs another star to help him.

OKC just have bunch role players around him right now.

是滴,威少的确需要一个明星级别的帮手。
雷霆现在给威少配了一堆角色球员。

[–]CelticsBlanka_is_top_tier 17 指標 11小時前

Westbrook and Blake Griffin together would definitely be exiting basketball

威少和格里芬的组合一定会炒鸡劲爆的。




[–]CelticsIfuckinglovebball 80 指標 14小時前

I would love to see Blake come to Boston. Not only would he be a great fit, it would just be nice to see more star power in the East.

我希望格里芬能来波士顿。不仅是他很适合凯尔特人,就算从能看到更多球星来东部考虑也是好的。

[–] Jud BuechlerThexJwubbz 8 指標 12小時前

I agree, he is a good fit with the Celtics.

同意,他是很适合凯尔特人。

[–]NuggetsSwaking 3 指標 12小時前

Celtics add BG, defeat LeBron in the ECF when the King shows his age. Celtics go on to beat Spurs in 7.

有了格里芬,凯尔特人就能在詹姆斯老化的情况下战胜骑士,进而和马刺大战七场赢得总冠军了。

[–]PistonsTimRigginsPanther 63 指標 14小時前

That is a good chunk of change to leave on the table, especially for a guy who is so reliant on athleticism and has an extensive injury history.

I just don't see him leaving LAC as long as they offer him the max.

这真是一个巨大赌注啊,特别是对于一个如此依赖于运动天赋却又有如此严重伤病史的球员来说。如果快船要是给格里芬顶薪,我认他不会离开的。

[–] Jose Calderondeadskin 60 指標 14小時前

Griffin is extremely skilled. I can definitely see him averaging 15ppg even at age 32 when this deal would end

格里芬的技巧很棒。我肯定他在32岁合同到期时仍能保持场均15分的贡献。

[–]76ersyesungxiao 71 指標 13小時前*

These People sometimes sound like they stopped watching NBA in 2012.

In the past months i've seen hugely upvoted comments saying stuff about Blake Griffin that was only legit criticism for his very first seasons, and seems like other teams' fans don't see that he's arguably the player that changed the most since got into the league regarding playstyle, he's a do-it-all player now.

"We need spacing, Griffin can't bring that to us, he's just muscles in the paint" as a celtics said and many agreed. my ass.

Top notch mid-range for a pf, top notch handles and passing (being probably the best big man in these 2), and still really tough to guard on the paint. Sure he has his flaws, and he's not nearly as exciting to watch as a few years ago, but it gets my nerves when people talk shit about him but haven't watched or researched anything of him in past years. He's better and more complete now, guys, any team could benefit from a healthy Blake Griffin.

这些人看起来像是从2012年之后就没看过球了。

过去几个月里,我看到很多有关格里芬的批评还都停留在他新秀赛季的印象上,这些评论甚至还得到了很多赞。看上去很多其他球队的球迷并没有注意到,格里芬可能是和自己新秀赛季相比打球方式发生变化最大的球员。他现在是个全能型球员。

一个凯尔特人球迷说:“我们需要球场空间,格里芬不能带来空间,他就是个禁区肌肉男”,他的观点甚至还得到了很多人的赞同。一派胡言!

对于大前锋来说,格里芬拥有不错的中距离投篮能力,也是个控球和传球好手(可能是这两方面上最好的大前锋了),而且在禁区内依旧不可阻挡。没错他也有些缺陷,比起几年前,他的比赛没有那么劲爆了,但我无法理解人们没有看过或研究过他的比赛就觉得他烂。老铁,他现在比以前变得更好、更有竞争力了,任何得到一个健康格里芬的球队都会受益无穷的。

[–]San Diego ClippersDoitforthechesty 19 指標 13小時前

Thing is he had that one MVP caliber season where he honestly just had to stay healthy and he'd consistently be in the top 6 or 7

He just hasn't been
事实上他只需要保持健康就能打出一个MVP级别的赛季,他一直是联盟前6或前7的球员。
但他从未达到过啊。

[–]WarriorsButObviously 6 指標 10小時前

Griffin's jumper is still very unreliable, especially at end of games. He is skilled, but without his athleticism, he's just a good offensive PF who is a bad defender for his position

格里芬的跳投仍然极不稳定,特别是在比赛最后阶段。他的技术不错,但是没有运动能力的他也就是个进攻尚可防守稀烂的大前锋而已。


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