【OnlyPelicans翻译】美国鹕区之声:蔡恩关键时刻惊人数据彰显恐怖统治力

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[-]Relodwire:

Shamit Dua@FearTheBrown(译注:鹈鹕专栏网站Bourbon Street Shots主编)发推:鹈鹕迄今为止已经有22场比赛触发了“关键时刻”的标准——即比赛最后5分钟分差5分之内。其中,鹈鹕最终落败的13场比赛里,英格拉姆合计25投7中,命中率28%;鹈鹕最终取胜的9场比赛里,英格拉姆21投7中,命中率33%。即便球队赢球,英格拉姆在关键时刻的表现依然糟糕透顶。

网友@RandySm11867320评论:靠,英格拉姆关键时刻的表现也太糟了。博主很好地指出了这一点。我还想看看蔡恩关键时刻的数据,疯狂暗示。

Shamit Dua@FearTheBrown回复:蔡恩的数据很有意思。鹈鹕获胜场次的关键时刻,他的真实命中率为64%;鹈鹕失利场次的关键时刻,他的真实命中率反而高达72.6%。无论鹈鹕获胜与否,这个家伙在关键时刻的真实命中率都高得惊人。限制蔡恩的只有他自身的进攻欲望和队友。


[-]babyduck703:

我最美好的体育记忆之一就是我们乐透抽到状元。我当时要嗨翻了,因为我那时候就知道蔡恩会很强。

但是拜托伙计,(我没想到)这哥们怎么这么强?

One of my top sports memories was when we won that lottery. I was so hyped because I knew he’d be good.

But come on dude. How is he this good?

[-]UnimpressedAsshole

而且他才只有20岁…一旦他的防守恢复杜克时期的水准,那么蔡恩将在很长一段时期内保持MVP竞争者的级别,并且有实力带队夺冠。

And he is only 20...If he even begins to approach his defense at Duke he is a perennial mvp contender and a guy who can carry a team to a championship

[-]Icedoutlikeacrkhouse

我认为单核带队夺冠的时代已经一去不复返了。(尽管朱利叶斯-兰德尔本赛季的确在做出努力…)

但是在我看来,防守是会随着时间推移而提升的。有多少球员效力职业赛场不到一个赛季(基本上就在新秀赛季内)就能做好防守?更别提如今NBA的攻防转换速率的加快和进攻火力的提升,这又让做好防守变得更加困难。

但是蔡恩绝对拥有篮球智商和起跳高度去做好对抗和封盖。他在侧翼位置上被对手打爆的次数确实有点多了,但我认为他的横移速度会随着时间推移而提高,会让他在这个位置上的防守做得更好。

毫无疑问,蔡恩绝对会成为一名真正可靠的内线防守者和差强人意的侧翼防守人。

I don’t think there’s any one player that can carry a team to a championship anymore. (Although Julius Randle sure is trying this season..)

But the defense will come with time in my opinion. How many players with less than a season of playtime under their belt (essentially in their rookie season) are good at defense?? Not to mention defense is a lot harder to do in the current nba with the rapid shift and progression of offense...

But he definitely has the iq and vert to contest and block shots. He does get blown by at the wing a little too much but I think his lateral quickness will improve over time and he will get better on that end..

There’s no reason though that he shouldn’t be a really solid interior defender and a half decent wing defender

[-]yitur93

没错,媒体对于他的大幅炒作是有道理的,不仅仅是因为他的扣篮。蔡恩就是那么的特别。我真的要开始相信,他身边或许压根都不需要一个第二持球得分点。时间会证明一切。

Well there was a reason for his immense hype and it was not about his dunks. He is just that special. I really start to believe he might not even need a second ball handler scorer next to him. But time will tell.

[-]Icedoutlikeacrkhouse

我有时候忍不住去想,如果我们拥有的是伊曼纽尔-奎克利而不是埃里克-布莱索,这支球队会是什么样子…我只是想表达,如果有队友能够在外线持续保持40%的命中率,同时还拥有不可思议的篮球智商和组织能力…那样的话盯防蔡恩或者其他侧翼队友的防守人将不得不离开自己的位置去协防投手,从而让蔡恩等人获得轻松得分的机会

I just like to imagine sometimes what this team would be if we had an Immanuel quickley instead of an Eric Bledsoe... just saying.. someone that can consistently make 40% from 3, has insane iq and playmaking ability.. the Defenders would have no choice but to sag off of either Zion or the wing player then and it would be easy buckets

[-]yitur93

我也正是基于同样的考量,所以当时以为鹈鹕铁定要在第4顺位选择达里厄斯-加兰。或许NAW日后能够符合这一要求。

I thought for sure Pelicans would pick Garland with the 4th pick for the same reason. Maybe NAW would fit the bill later on?

[-]Icedoutlikeacrkhouse

我觉得小凯拉-刘易斯可能会在一到两个赛季内做到这一点,只要到时候他能练出三分投射,那样的话鹈鹕会表现得很好。

I think Kira might fit the Bill in a year or two. They would do well to make sure he is a solid 3 point shooter by then.


[-]guimed

20岁的蔡恩已经是历史级别的出色了,鹈鹕却没能成为一支胜率过半的球队,很多人应该为此担责

Zion is historically good at 20 years old. This should be a winning team, and a lot of people should take the blame

[-]trombonepick

我认为鹈鹕没能减轻英格拉姆和蔡恩的场上压力,让我们战绩糟糕的原因包括:

投射:雷迪克、鲍尔、哈特和梅利在赛季初都无法命中三分。我明白为什么大家都觉得鹈鹕理应拥有更大的场上空间,毕竟没人能想到就连雷迪克这样的家伙三分都能变得不靠谱…(但我还是希望鹈鹕的战术中能再融入另一位射手,因为我还是很喜欢雷迪克和蔡恩的挡拆外切配合)

糟糕的空间让鹈鹕在进攻端需要付出更多努力,而更多的努力意味着球队需要消耗更多的体力。这对球队的攻防两端都造成了不利影响,更何况我们还只是一支仍处于学习如何防守的球队。

糟糕的防守:布莱索被视作是朱-霍勒迪的合格替代者,(他也)曾入选过最佳防守阵容。

但是我们花了太长的时间来提升侧翼位置的防守。(大卫-格里芬也承认了这一点。)

亚当斯和布莱索是鹈鹕阵容中最大的败笔。亚当斯并非是一名糟糕的球员,但他与鹈鹕偶尔会显得适配性不稳,并且他的续约是一笔过度投资。

我们依旧需要维持更衣室文化的老将,但我们也同样需要投射能力、需要在核心身边搭档更多的防守拼图。

I think we failed to make Ingram and Zion's lives easier. And I get what got us here.

Shooting: J.J./Lonzo/Josh/Melli all couldn't hit a 3 at the beginning of the year. But I get why we thought we had more floor spacing than we did. There was no reason to think a dude like J.J. would become unreliable at the three... (I hope we can re-integrate another shooter into the mix because I still love JJ/Zion screens PnP.)

Bad spacing makes offense take more work and more work means expending more energy than is necessary on the floor. It's bad for a team's offense and for defense. And we're already still learning defense.

Bad defense: Bledsoe was thought to be a decent stand-in for Jrue. Made All-Defense.

Took us wayyyy too long to pick up defensive wings though. (D-Griff admitted that.)

Adams/Bledsoe were big failures for this roster. Adams isn't a bad player but his fit can be a little wonky at times, and he was an over-investment.

We still need lockerroom culture vets, and we still need shooting, and we still need more defensive pieces around our core.

[-]imahsleep

有一说一确实。我讨厌人们针对英格拉姆的批评。大家都希望比赛最后时刻能把球交到蔡恩手里,但是他总会在最后时刻遭遇对手的双人甚至三人包夹。因此,当球队中没有其他队员能够出手投篮时,球必须还得交给英格拉姆。我们把所有的期望都压到了这群年轻球员的肩上。我们需要雷迪克和布莱索这样的老将在关键时刻命中高难度投篮,或者至少TMD拥有投射威胁,帮助队友更轻松地得到出手机会。英格拉姆需要有更好的表现,但现在的情况是,是身边队友的实力欠佳让他的发挥看起来不如以前

Nailed it. I hate the hate that BI gets. People want the ball in Zions hands late but he’s always doubled/tripled late so it has to be BI and it’s hard to do anything when no one else on the team can shoot. You put everything on the shoulders of young kids. We needed vets like JJ and bled to be there in clutch time and make tough shots or at least be a fucking THREAT to shoot to make it easier to get a good look. BI needs to be better but it’s a situation where the shitty players around him make him look even worse

[-]BasedMoo

没错,蔡恩确实是历史级别的出色,但他的防守也是造成球队战绩不佳的原因之一。

Yes he's historically great but Zion's defense is to blame for the teams lackluster record as well.

[-]notthesethings

也不能这么说。如果只是蔡恩一个人防守糟糕,那么鹈鹕的战绩也不至于这么差。鹈鹕就不是一支防守强队。我们需要一名护筐手和一名侧翼防守人,但我们现在一无所有。

Not really. If he were the only one playing poor defense, we'd be fine. It's just not a good defensive roster. We need a rim protector and a wing stopper and have neither.

[-]the_imp_king

笑死,蔡恩的防守比英格拉姆好多了,而且他才20岁啊

zion is a better defender then BI and hes only 20 lmao

[-]imahsleep

我们看的是一场比赛吗?蔡恩在任何情况下都无法防守外线。当然了,他在篮下的防守表现要好于英格拉姆,但是禁区不该是英格拉姆负责防守的区域。蔡恩防守不佳并不令人意外,因为他的体重高达280磅,并且承担着进攻重任,但他的防守确实糟糕。我不明白当两个人在防守端都是辣鸡的情况下,你凭什么能说某人的防守要比另外一个人更好

What games are you watching? Zion can’t defend the perimeter in any capacity. Sure around the rim hes better but BI isn’t defending the paint. It’s not a surprise he’s bad on d because he’s 280 lbs and carries the offensive load, but still his d Is awful. Idk how you can say one is even better than the other when they are both ass

[-]edesanna

哥们儿,你说的太对了,填补鹈鹕护筐和侧翼防守荣光,蔡恩义不容辞。按理来说,他就是为此而生的。我喜欢支持蔡恩,喜欢看蔡恩的比赛,但他需要在防守端有着更好的表现,这支球队才能走向胜利。

Man, you're so right, and Zion must have no obligation to fill either of those two spots that he should be built for. I love rooting for him and watching him, but he needs to better on defense for this team to trend towards winning.

[-]notthesethings

没有几个球员能在20岁的时候就可以在攻防两端都不拖球队后腿,我认为期待蔡恩现在就同时成为全联盟最强的禁区得分手和侧翼防守人是不公平的,我甚至不觉得他能成为一名出色的护筐手,毕竟他身高只有6尺6.

Very few players are able to be positive players on both ends of the floor at 20 years old. I don’t think it’s fair to expect Zion to be both the best paint scorer in the league and a wing stopper. I don’t think he’ll ever be a great rim protector since he’s 6’6”.

[-]edesanna

我知道,这也是为什么我完全可以接受球队目前的状况。我不期待这支球队立马就能取得成绩,我希望他们能保持耐心,让蔡恩能沿着最有利于身体健康的方式延续职业生涯,所以他目前不应该试图去承担这些重任。是的,我也从来没指望过蔡恩能成为优秀的护筐手或者侧翼防守人,尽管许多人认为他的运动能力足以肩负起小球阵容5号位的护筐责任,但我不还是不敢苟同。我只想说,篮球是一项五个人合作的运动,他个人在防守端缺乏努力会让全队陷入不利局面。

I know, and that's why I'm totally fine with where the team is at right now. I don't expect them to win right now, and I want them to be patient and bring him along in a way conducive to his body, so he shouldn't try and carry that load right now. And yeah, I never expected him to be either, although many think his athleticism at the small ball five equals rim protection, but I still don't see that. My only point is, there's five guys on the floor, and his lack of defensive effort is going to be detrimental.

[-]littlebigpoopoo

他和英格拉姆都需要在好好提升防守

Him AND Ingram need to be a lot better on defense

[-]BasedMoo

我持有保留意见。球队当然需要有所提升,但这也肯定需要更多的时间和凝聚力

Don't disagree at all. Some upgrades needed for sure and definitely more time and cohesion

[-]BlackScienceJesus

蔡恩甚至都算不上队伍里最差的防守人。英格拉姆的身材就像个交通锥筒一样瘦长,但这不该是借口。他在洛杉矶期间的防守不错,而且进联盟的时间也足够长了,他的防守不该这么糟糕的。

He’s not even the worst defender on the team. BI is a traffic cone and there’s really no excuse for it. He played good defense in LA and has been in the league long enough to not be this awful.

[-]Aries_IV

英格拉姆在洛杉矶时的防守也没多出色。他从来就不是出色的防守人,只是一直有成为优秀防守人的“潜力”。尽管在洛杉矶期间并非出色的防守人,但那是他的职业生涯初期。我觉得他那时候太过瘦弱,又那么年轻,综合起来导致他那时候的防守不佳。

BI didn't play good defense in LA. He was never that good on defense he just always had the POTENTIAL to be. Never reached it in LA but that was early in his career. I felt it was a combination of being too skinny and he was really young at the time.

[-]BlackScienceJesus

但他那时候的防守要比现在好,至少努力程度要高得多。

He played better defense than he does now. His effort level was way higher.


[-]marinesol

这些数据某种程度上可能显示了恰恰相反的情况,至少第一部分是这样。想想看,要是球队状态不错,那么蔡恩就不需要每一次轻松得分机会都自己上,因为他可以让队友去出手,自己完成一些更高难度的出手就行了。蔡恩在球队输球时进攻数据更好的情况可能更类似于篮网洛佩兹或者尼克斯波尔津吉斯的情况,而非2016年的勒布朗-詹姆斯。当全队手感不佳时,蔡恩不得不持续地完成轻松得分的机会去追分,在这个过程中耗光了自己的体力,而这些本该由鲍尔、NAW和英格拉姆去出手。当这三名队友都能够得分的时候,蔡恩则会把更多的精力放在那些能够真正帮助球队赢得比赛的高难度回合上。

我记得詹姆斯曾经说过为什么他偶尔会出手一些低价值的跳投或者送出不必要的助攻,而不是一个简单的上篮,他说如果他把所有的时间都花在这些事情上,那么他会在比赛结束的时候筋疲力尽。

This is probably showing the exact opposite to an extent at least on that first part. If you think about it if the team is doing good then he doesn't need to score as much on easier buckets because he can let them take the shot, so he's going to be shooting tougher shots. Zion scoring better in losses is probably closer to Nets Lopez or Knicks Porzingis impact situation than 2016 LBJ. When nobody else is shooting well he has to constantly make easy shots that would normally be Zo, NAW, BI's wheel house, but exhausting himself in the process. While when those three can score a ton it allows to Zion to focus more on winning those high difficulty possessions that will actually win games.

I think LBJ said something about why he occasionally takes low value jumpers or unnecessary assists rather than easy layups, and he said that if he spent all his time doing that he would just end up completely exhausted by the time the game was over.

[-]trombonepick

赞同。

一支由核心持球点分享球而使得全队手感火热的球队,要比一支某一个人手感火热的球队要可怕得多。

比如,斯蒂芬-库里也需要他的克莱-汤普森,地表最强的射手/得分手身边依然需要一个特别擅长投篮的队友。一花独放不是春。

如今最可怕的球队应该是篮网了,哈哈。篮网每个人都有可能手感爆棚甚至弹无虚发,同时还具备自主进攻的能力。

Agree.

A team where everyone is hot because the primary ball-handler shared the ball is more dangerous than a team where one man is hot.

Ex. Steph needs Klay. Best shooter/scorer in the world still needs someone insanely good at shooting near him. One man army-ing isn't perfect.

And the scariest team is the Nets lol. Where every man can get hot and be near-perfect and also create their own shot.


[-]Goat-Gran

蔡恩会在关键时刻被双人或三人包夹,对手会逼迫像布莱索或者英格拉姆这样的队员去投篮

Man gets doubled and tripled in the clutch and teams force players like Bled or Bi to shoot


[-]jed_lag【译注:本条被点灭折叠】

蔡恩需要打得更独一些。他可以成为像东契奇一样的球员,每个回合都自己持球来为自己或者队友创造机会。之所以没能如此是因为人们觉得英格拉姆是能带队赢球的球员,而蔡恩不是。

It’s true that Zion needs to be more assertive. He can be a Luka-like player in that he can have the ball every possession and create for himself or teammates. Only thing stopping that is the idea the BI is a winning franchise player, which he is not

[-]Apex430

这个区不想承认你说的,但这就是事实

this sub doesnt want to admit it but its true


[-]AnotherStatsGuy

一定程度上也是因为对手坚决地要让鹈鹕其他队员来击败自己,所以才会对蔡恩严加防守。

It's also in part because teams are so determined to make somebody else on the Pelicans beat them that they load up on Zion.

[-]Vince3737

对手从比赛一开始就在这么做了

They do that from the very start of the game


[-]EducatemeUBC【译注:本条被点灭折叠】

限制蔡恩的不是“队友”,就是英格拉姆,他才是问题所在。

Not his teammates. It's BI, he's the issue.

[-]Apex430

是的

Yep


[-]aremagazin

鹈鹕需要引入一些投手,那种能够稳定命中空位三分的球员。

Pelicans have to get some shooters, players that will hit open to wide open shots consistently.

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鹈鹕最终落败的13场比赛里,英格拉姆合计25投7中,命中率28%;鹈鹕最终取胜的9场比赛里,英格拉姆21投7中,命中率33%。即便球队赢球,英格拉姆在关键时刻的表现依然糟糕透顶。网友@RandySm11867320评论:靠,英格拉姆关键时刻的表现也太糟了。博主很好地指出了这一点。我还想看看蔡恩关键时刻的数据,疯狂暗示。Shamit Dua@FearTheBrown回复:蔡恩的数据很有意思。鹈鹕获胜场次的关键时刻,他的真实命中率为64%;鹈鹕失利场次的关键时刻,他的真实命中率反而高达72.6%。无论鹈鹕获胜与否,这个家伙在关键时刻的真实命中率都高得惊人。限制蔡恩的只有他自身的进攻欲望和队友。

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jimanna2011

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恢复的好,总算可以看到一些相对理性的声音了目前看,菜恩就是拿最严格的标准去要求他,他也是历史级超巨而莺歌,第五年。。甚至达不到历史级球员第二年的数据所以认清形势才是最重要的莺歌的上限,目前看,就是类似于拼图或者二当家,大气再晚成,比如小卡或者乔治,这会也已经带队稳稳的打半决赛去,而不是在有历史级大哥的情况下, 还在第十二晃悠了我大胆预测,鹈鹕3个赛季内,铁定进西部半决,也就是实力达到西部上班区水平,到时候西安大概23岁左右,完全不用急但是这个最重要的一点,就是要不莺歌,老老实实转型二当家,我觉得他上限(历史地位,不是球场位置)大概是茉莉,或者帕克这个级别。当然,FMVP是不可能的他是不可能做邮差,或者双少这种级别的双核球员的要不,就赶紧考虑做交易,因为目前看,zion的天赋已经快要溢出来了。。但是目前球队阵容对他的限制太大,让他没法发挥和成长,一个出手经常第三甚至第四的老大,对信心和领导力的培养,是非常不利的交易,最重要的,就是33+,安心辅佐下一代,而且还有油的老将记得太阳把,去年就开始要爆发今年炮去了,直接西部第二这就是老将的作用以目前莺歌和球的情况来看,招募C/3D,可能是最合适的。如果招募控位,那就意味着球要去打3D,虽然已经被要求了。。但是还是不太舒服而3D的热门程度。。难度更大两个选择都有问题的情况下,还是选个控位最合适。一方面掌控节奏,另外也教西安怎么打关键球,怎么领导球队

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