足球传声筒|英超名人堂首批成员,实至名归or仍有争议?
英超名人堂2021年度入选名单:希勒、亨利、坎通纳、基恩、兰帕德、博格坎普、杰拉德、贝克汉姆
Gerrard chosen as Premier League Hall of Fame inductee
杰拉德入选英超名人堂
——/利物浦/SRFC96/923 points
Genuine freak of nature, we were so lucky to have him, time and time again he saved us from embarrassment, during the barren years I dread to think what would have happened if he wasn’t around.
他生来就注定是个天才,拥有过他的我们是何其荣幸,他一次又一次地拯救了我们,使我们免于尴尬的失利,在利物浦还未崛起的年代,很难想象没有他的话,一切又会是什么样。
——/reply/洛维奇/nextgentactics/450 points
Genuinely never seen a man refuse to lose every single game hes played. His career is the epitome of perseverance and strong mentality.
从来没有见过任何一名像他这样顽强不服输的球员,毅力和顽强的意志力就是对他职业生涯的概括。
——/reply/利物浦/offiziersmesser/187 points
Stuck with us despite having offers from more successful clubs where he could have earned twice or thrice what he did with us and won a lot more titles.
Shame the cowboys bankrupted the club during his peak.
尽管有一些更成功的俱乐部向他伸出过橄榄枝,本可以在这些俱乐部获得两倍甚至三倍于他在利物浦所取得的成就,也可以去那些豪门赢得更多的冠军,但他始终和我们坚守在一起。
遗憾的是,在他的巅峰期,利物浦遭遇了破产危机。
——/利物浦/DarthCocknus/670 points
For those shit talking Gerrard just because he never won the league, how about we hear what actual pros had to say about him during his playing days.
Alex Ferguson- “If you were looking for the player you would replace Keane with, it would be Gerrard, without question. He has become the most influential player in England, bar none. More than Vieira. Not that Vieira lacks anything, but I think that Gerrard does more for his team than Vieira does, and has way more to his game. “I’ve watched him quite a lot. To me, Gerrard is Keane. Everywhere the ball is, he seems to be there. He’s got that unbelievable engine, desire, determination. Anyone would love to have Gerrard in their team.”
Zidane- “There was a point when Gerrard was the best midfield player in the world. It is unusual to get complete midfield players who can do everything, but that is what he was.”
Viera- “In my opinion he’s in the top three midfielders in the world, maybe the best right now. I heard what Alex Ferguson said about him being better than me. He’s probably right. Gerrard is England’s best player and he single-handedly got Liverpool into the Champions League."
Mourinho-“I tried to bring him to Chelsea, I tried to bring him to Inter, I tried to bring him to Real Madrid, but he was always a dear enemy. I was dreaming of having Claude Makelele, Gerrard and Frank Lampard in midfield.”
Totti-“Steven Gerrard would be the captain of my World XI dream team. Gerrard is a complete player because he can play in every position and can do everything with a football at any time in a game."
Pirlo-“While at Milan he Ancelotti came to me and said, ‘I want to sign Steven Gerrard to play next to you in midfield – what do you think?’ Without any hesitation I told him, ‘Do it – go and sign him.’ At this stage he was probably the most complete midfield player in Europe, of course I wanted to partner him. “I remember asking Carlo a few weeks later how it was going, and he told me Gerrard had given a very firm no, that his bond with Liverpool was unbreakable. At the time Milan were the champions of Europe and probably had the best team in the world – it says a lot about Gerrard’s loyalty.”
Maldini-“What I have always liked of Steven is that on the pitch he was very quiet, but was capable of inspiring all his team-mates with great strength, not so much with words. The real example – and that is what I’ve learned from players like Steven and Franco Baresi – is to do rather than talk.
那些因为他未曾夺得过英超冠军而对他议论纷纷的人,不如来看看在他还未退役的时候,职业圈内是如何评价他的。
弗格森爵士:“如果要找一名能代替罗伊基恩的球员,那必然是杰拉德。他已然超越了维埃拉,成为了全英最具影响力的球员,没有人能和他相提并论。并不是由于维埃拉有什么不足,只是我觉得与维埃拉相比,杰拉德对球队更加重要,对比赛做出的贡献也要多得多。我看过许多他的比赛,对我来说,杰拉德就是基恩。不管球在哪儿,他总会出现在那里。他具备令人难以置信的自我驱动力,渴望和决心。每个教练都希望他能为自己效力。”
齐祖:“在过去的一段时间内,杰拉德就是世界最佳中场。全能的中场非常少见,但这就是他。”
维埃拉:“在我看来,他是世界前三中场,现在可能是世界最佳。我知道弗格森说过杰拉德比我强,他说的可能不错。杰拉德是全英格兰的最佳球员,凭他的一己之力带领利物浦获得欧冠资格。”
穆里尼奥:“我在切尔西的时候试过买他,在国际米兰的时候也试过,在皇马的时候也试过,但始终都没有成功。我最理想的中场配置是马克莱莱,杰拉德加兰帕德。”
托蒂:“杰拉德会是我排出的世界最佳阵容的队长。他非常全面,任何位置都能踢,在比赛中不论何时,没有他做不到的事情。”
皮尔洛:“安胖还在米兰执教的时候,来问过我说,“我想把杰拉德买过来,让他和你在中场搭档,你觉得如何?”,我没有任何迟疑地告诉他,“没问题,买他。”当时他可能是全欧洲最全面的中场了,我当然想和他搭档。我记得过了几周以后,我去问安胖这个事怎么样了,他说杰拉德非常坚定的回绝了我,他表示他和利物浦的关系是牢不可破的。当时米兰是欧洲冠军,也算是坐拥全世界最强的阵容了——这件事充分证明了杰拉德对红军的忠诚。”
马尔蒂尼:“我一直非常欣赏杰拉德的一点就是,尽管他在球场上非常安静,不需要说很多话,但却能用极大的力量鼓舞自己的每一名队友。以身作则——这是我从杰拉德和巴雷西这类球员身上学到的东西——用自己的实际行动而不非语言去鼓励队友。”
——/reply/利物浦/DathranEU/410 points
You can't expect people to read this when all they go is "hahaha he slipped loool"
My favourite player of all time, he had it all.
大家都在嘲笑杰拉德滑倒,所以我也不指望有人能耐下心来读这些评价。
他是我最喜欢的球员,满足我对一名球员的所有要求。
——/OJ34/383 points
People like to laugh and meme Gerrard but in my biased opinion I don’t think any other player had to carry their team to the extent that he did. He may not have won the league but anyone with a modicum of sense knows how good of a footballer he was
大家喜欢嘲笑杰拉德,玩梗,做表情包,但在我个人看来,没有任何一名球员能像他那样,靠一己之力带领队伍突破极限。他也许从未获得过英超冠军,不过但凡有一丝理智的人都明白,他是一名多么伟大的足球运动员。
——/reply/利物浦/DathranEU/207 points
Any team would have loved to have Gerrard in the starting 11. The ones who meme him still understand how good he was I'm sure.
每支球队都希望杰拉德出现在自己的首发阵容当中,我可以肯定,即使是那些玩梗嘲笑他的人,也非常清楚杰拉德有多伟大。
Eric Cantona is inducted to the Premier League Hall of Fame
坎通纳入选英超名人堂。
——/诺丁汉森林/overhyped-unamazing/1605 points
I guess Gen Z fans might look at his stats and wonder if there aren't other more deserving players, but trust, in the early-to-mid 90s he was a cultural phenomenon in English football. Half the school playground turned their collars up and impersonated his style and swagger, he made Man United fans out of loads of kids at my school. He definitely deserves this.
我猜一些Z世代的球迷看了他的数据,可能会问,难道没有比他更配得上这项荣誉的球员吗,但请相信我,在90年代的早期到中期,坎通纳绝对成为了英国足坛的一种文化现象。当时学校操场上有一半的学生都会把衣领竖起来,模仿他趾高气昂的风格,也是他,让我学校里的无数学生成为了曼联球迷。他绝对配得上这项殊荣。
——/reply/西班牙队/BeenWavy07 708 points
He was the first genuine worldwide star that England (first division or PL) produced in quite some time and was the face of the PL in its initial wave of global expansion. Then you add his career and how he was the guiding force to Ferguson finally conquering the league and starting 2 decades of dominance. Anyone questioning his inclusion is either a purely by-the-stat geek or making up hot takes for the sake of it.
在相当长的一段时间中,他是英格兰(第一级别联赛或后来的英超)出现的第一名世界级球星,也是在英超最初开始向全球宣传时的门面担当。再考虑到他的职业生涯,在弗爵爷征服英超并开始长达二十年的统治中发挥了非常重要的引导作用。总结一下那些质疑坎通纳入选名人堂的人吧,要么是只看数据不看球的懂球帝,要么是单纯为了获得高赞而故意装傻的。
——/reply/曼联/Gytarius626/334 points
5th in the league when he joined and top of the table within weeks, going on to win the title in the next 4/5 seasons.
他刚加盟曼联时,曼联在联赛排名第五,仅仅过了几周,曼联就已经是联赛头名了,在接下来的4/5个赛季,曼联也都几乎没有再让联赛冠军旁落他人。
——/reply/ LennonC123/353 points
And the only season United didn’t win it was when he was banned for half a season.
唯一没有夺冠的赛季,就是当时他被禁赛半个赛季那年。
——/reply/twersx/199 points
Beaten by a single point as well.
即使是那年,也只是以一分之差惜败。
——/reply/莱斯特城/B_e_l_l_/181 points
It's the trouble with Messi and Ronaldo. They've turned the game into a stats circle jerk.
No stat can tell you where players stand up to be counted when others shy away.
要怪得怪梅西和C罗,是他们二人将足球比赛变成了攀比数据的游戏。
数据永远不会告诉你,在其他人退缩的时候,哪些球员会为了球队挺身而出。
——/reply/伯恩利/Buhms/1337 points
Like flies to wanton boys, we are to Eric Cantona
我们之于坎通纳,如同苍蝇之于顽童。
(原话为As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods, They kill us for the sport.我们之于神明,如同苍蝇之于顽童,他们以杀死我们为乐。出自莎翁的《李尔王》。坎通纳在领取欧足联主席奖时,在讲话中说到过这句话。)
——/affanahmed1202/382 points
"As flies to wanton boys, we are for the Gods. They kill us for the sport,”
"Soon the science will not only be able to throw down the ageing of the cells, the science will fix the cells to the state, and so we’ll become ... only accidents, crimes, wars will still kill us.
"But unfortunately, crimes and wars will multiply.
"I love football. Thank you."
(*Close up of Messi looking confused)
“我们之于神明,如同苍蝇之于顽童,他们以杀死我们为乐。”
“不久以后,科学不仅能延缓细胞的衰老,甚至能修复细胞,让我们获得永生。能杀死我们的只有意外、犯罪和战争。”
“不幸的是,犯罪和战争会成倍增加。”
“我爱足球,谢谢大家。”
(*最后的画面是一脸懵逼的梅西)
Lampard enters the Premier League Hall of Fame
兰帕德入选英超名人堂
——/曼城/DrSpectrum/2731 points
I don't understand the procedure here...
Why are these being announced on weekday mornings? Shouldn't this all be handled in the end of season award ceremonies? With fancy videos and lots of applause and awkward speeches?
我不太明白这其中的流程...
为什么要选在工作日的早上公布这些消息?这些消息难道不应该在赛季结束后的颁奖典礼上宣布吗?配上一些精彩的视频,台上观众的掌声,再发表一些尴尬的演讲?
——/reply/HotDiver123/1728 points
The entire process is also very random.
Apparently Giggs was supposed to be the first entry, then they decided he was too much of a cunt and they put in Shearer and Henry next.
整个过程也都非常随意。
很明显应该第一个入选名人堂的是吉格斯,但他们觉得吉格斯的形象实在太差了,所以就选了阿兰·希勒和亨利。
——/reply/阿森纳/Klemaz/1001 points
Shearer and Henry should be the first inductees anyway.
不管出于什么原因,希勒和亨利都应该第一批入选。
——/reply/曼联/nokopuff/868 points
Giggs has 13 PL titles that is more than any PL team except Man Utd, if this is not hall of fame worthy then I dont know what is the criteria
吉格斯赢得过13次英超冠军,比除了曼联以外的任何一支英超球队都要多。如果这种成绩都不能入选名人堂,那我真不知道名人堂的评选标准是什么了。
——/reply/狼队/Calpaca/2279 points
yeah but hes a mega cunt
确实如此,但他也是个十足的混蛋。
——/reply/ColonelSwede/227 points
Is this Nicest Person Hall of Fame, or Premier League Hall of Fame?
请问这是英超的名人堂,还是道德模范的名人堂?
——/reply/邓迪联/ShetlandJames/1630 points
A good look having an alleged domestic abuser as your first entry. Please never work in PR
选一个成绩光鲜但涉嫌家暴的球员作为名人堂的第一人,哥们儿你可千万别干公关这一行。
——/reply/阿斯顿维拉/TheKingMonkey/957 points
“I know he had a lengthy affair with his brothers wife and is literally due in court next week on charges of assault, but he did win the Premier League 13 times!”
“他虽然与自己的弟媳有长期不正当关系,也会在下周因袭击他人的罪名出庭,但他可获得过13次英超冠军呢!”
——/切尔西/a_guy_named_gai/886 points
Greatest goalscoring midfielder the league has ever seen. New fans wont know how extraordinary his goal scoring skills were, also he was so much more than scoring and assisting goals which is saying something given his G/A record. Only person who comes close to his numbers is Gerrard.
英超有史以来最伟大的得分型中场,新球迷不会知道他有多么出众的进球技巧,他的进球和助攻数据就能说明很多东西,而且他在场上的作用远不止于进球和助攻。唯一一个和他数据相近的人是杰拉德。
——/reply/sol_regent/460 points
Let’s not forget he’s Chelsea record goal scorer, that’s mental!
别忘了很重要的一点,他是切尔西的队史第一射手!
——/reply/切尔西/a_guy_named_gai/490 points
Currently 5th in the all time highest PL goal scorers. Next midfielder in the list is Gerrard in 18th. Pretty insane.
他是目前英超历史射手榜的第五名,在英超历史射手榜单上的第二个中场是排在第18位的杰拉德。他的数据真的很离谱。
——/reply/切尔西/paone0022/54 points
And he's 4th all time on the number of assists list. Which is crazy!
同时在英超历史助攻榜上排名第四,也很变态!
——/reply/切尔西/Monstermart/180 points
Lampard did things with the ball that I haven’t seen since. That chipped goal against Barcelona from the touchline has yet to be repeated. I think the only modern player who comes close to comparing to his style is probably KdB. I couldn’t find a video of the goal alone without awful music over it but it’s the fourth one in this video . His chest to turn shot against Barca was also iconic
球在他脚下时他能做到的事,我至今还没见到过第二个人做到过,他对阵巴萨时的那脚底线吊射至今无人可以复制,我觉得现代足球中唯一和他风格相近的球员可能就是德布劳内了。没有找到不含嘈杂BGM的视频,大伙将就着看吧,视频中的第四个进球,转身吊射攻破巴萨球门,颇具标志性。
——/reply/利兹联/BulldenChoppahYus/141 points
For the lazy. It is indeed, a pant stainer.
帮懒人节约点时间,这个球确实看湿了。
——/reply/切尔西/plomerosKTBFFH/77 points
Puyol's reaction is perfect, "the fuck???"
普约尔的反应也绝了,“啥玩意儿???”
——/reply _Enforcer/42 points
No one expected that. Lampard tried to go for assist but realized non of his team are close enough so he just go for goal. Most people would try to dribble and wait for team to arrive, not Lampard.
没人能想到他会直接打门,他本来想助攻队友,但是发现附近没有队友,所以干脆直接打了。大部分球员在这种情况下都会护住球,带两下,等队友接应到位,但兰帕德没有这样做。
——/reply/利物浦/EnigmaticArcanum/84 points
The chip against Hull is one of my favourite goals, seemed so casual yet physics defying
他在对阵赫尔城时的吊射是我最喜欢的进球之一,看似如此随意,但其实对手无能为力。
——/reply/TurkishFlannel/112 points
Lampard's chip vs Hull
兰帕德在对阵赫尔城时的吊射。
——/reply/BangaiBangai/49 points
Was in the crowd for that, I was livid at the time because from where we were sat it looked like such a bullshit soft goal to concede, then watched it back on MotD and was like... ok then haha
在现场,当时我很生气,因为从我所坐的那个角度来看,这脚球的球速很慢,像随便蒙的一脚,但却进了。后来在MOTD上看了回放,我就觉得...行吧,没辙,哈哈哈。
——/曼城/QuackisAlive/725 points
Nice to see such a legend of our club get the recognition he deserves.
看到我城的传奇获得了他应有的认可,很是开心啊。
——/reply/rightbackatyaa/298 points
and they say man city don’t have history, pfff
竟然还有人说曼城底蕴不足,哼。
——/reply/利物浦/RayPissed/153 points
Never forget when scored against Chelsea for City
难忘他效力曼城期间对阵切尔西时的进球。
——/reply/切尔西/ChampionsLedge/189 points
I actually love that goal. Such a typical goal for him and it gave him the record for scoring against the most different PL clubs.
我其实挺喜欢那个进球的,典型的兰帕德式的进球,也正是这粒进球,让他收获了攻破最多英超球队大门的纪录。
——/reply/切尔西/a_guy_named_gai/74 points
Most confused I've ever been in my life. Didn't know whether I should be happy or sad, cry or rejoice.
他进切尔西那球时大概是我一生中最困惑的时刻了,不知该高兴还是难过,该哭泣还是雀跃。
——/reply/利物浦/Vahald/34 points
Why on earth would you be happy
究竟为何会开心呢?
——/reply/切尔西/a_guy_named_gai/130 points
Built in reflex of celebrating a Lampard goal. On hindsight, it won him the record for scoring against most PL teams so happy nonetheless.
开心是因为,会像条件反射一样习惯性地庆祝兰帕德的进球。事后来看,这粒进球让他获得了攻破最多英超球队球门的纪录,所以还是会为他高兴。
——/切尔西/Blithe17/237 points
Well deserved, one of the best midfielders in the 00s. As a young-ish Chelsea fan at the time, it's weird to think Lampard had been playing since the mid 90s. I wonder what his goal record would've been had he had a similar output for West Ham.
当之无愧,00年代的最强中场之一。当时我算是切尔西的新球迷,想到兰帕德从90年代中期就开始踢了,就感觉怪怪的。很想知道如果他在西汉姆联时期就已经火力全开的话,他的进球纪录会是多少。
——/reply/皇马/kostajepaosmosta/134 points
When I started watching football in 00s. I loved watching Chelsea's side,.. From John Terry to Dider Drogba... especially when Ivanovic came in the late 00s . Peak PL for me
我是从00年代开始看球的,当时喜欢把切尔西当主队...从特里到德罗巴...特别是00年代后期伊万加盟切尔西之后。个人认为是英超的巅峰年代。
——/reply/切尔西/ilaughallthetime/112 points
God we were strong! Fucking Drogba, Ballack, Essien, Mikel, Lampard, Cole, Terry, Cech
Notable players: Ferreira, Joe Cole, Anelka, Alex
I miss the late 2000s now...
当时我们多强啊!德罗巴,巴拉克,埃辛,米克尔,兰帕德,阿什利·科尔,特里,切赫
著名球员:费雷拉,乔·科尔,阿内尔卡,阿历克斯
想念00年代后期的切尔西...
Bergkamp named Premier League Hall of Fame inductee
博格坎普入选英超名人堂
——/ABCP3/168 points
Thierry Henry made me fall in love with Arsenal.
Dennis Bergkamp made me fall in love with football.
是亨利让我爱上了阿森纳。
是博格坎普让我爱上了足球。
——/荷兰队/LeadLeader1014/469 points
One of the most brilliant player I’ve watched. Technically perfect.
我所见过的最厉害的球员之一,具备完美无瑕的技术。
——/reply/Forsaken-Currency404/152 points
His touch is the greatest of all time and I will die on that hill.
Case in point: Newcastle goal
他的停球(触球)绝对是历史第一,不服来辩。
举例:对纽卡斯尔的进球。
——/reply/阿森纳/bendskenobi/82 points
Or the WC goal against Argentina. Was at a restaurant and people were high fiving and hugging each other and we’re not even Dutch.
或者世界杯对阿根廷的进球。当时我在一家餐厅,球进之后,大家互相击掌彼此拥抱,我们甚至都不是荷兰人。
(解说念博格坎普的名字时听着像是There is bear cum...)
——/reply/pokerface789/68 points
That 98 Dutch squad.
Van Der Sar, Stam, De Boer, Van Bronckhorst, Davids, Seedorf, Cocu, Overmars, Kluivert, Hasselbaink, Bergkamp.
98年世界杯荷兰队的阵容。
范德萨,斯塔姆,德波尔,范布隆克霍斯特,戴维斯,西多夫,科库,奥维马斯,克鲁伊维特,哈塞尔班克,博格坎普。
——/巴基斯坦队/SexyMooli/284 points
Well deserved. Simply one of the best technical footballers the league has ever seen.
实至名归,他就是英超有史以来技术最好的球员之一。
——/reply/tb0ne8/101 points
Imho one of the best technical footballers the world has ever seen. His first touch and lob shot were out of this world... better than most world class players have today
我觉得他算是世界足球史上技术最好的球员之一了,他的第一脚触球和吊射不是地球人能达到的水平...比现今的大部分世界级球员都强。
——/reply/利物浦/MikeOchertz/55 points
He sometimes did things that seemed like the hardest way to go in certain situations... I could never guess what finish or dribble he’d go for. He’d always do the least expected and pulled it off in a world class fashion.
在很多情况下,他似乎总会选择最难的解决办法...你永远也猜不到他会选择什么样的射门或盘带路线。他总会选择最出人意料的处理方式,并以世界级的水准达成目标。
——/reply/阿森纳/TheGoldenPineapples/109 points
The man did things with a football that I didn't even think were possible.
Everyone talks about that goal against Newcastle, but that's just one of many. His goal against Leicester for his hat-trick is just the kind of moment where you just gawp at the TV and wonder how the fuck he managed to do that, but then again, you could say that about pretty much any of his goals.
球在他脚下时他所做到的一些事,很多我觉得都是不可能做到的。
大家都在聊他对纽卡斯尔的进球,但那只是他的诸多神作之一。他对莱斯特城时打进完成帽子戏法的那个进球时,你只会对着电视,瞪大眼睛,思索他究竟是怎么做到的。但是话说回来,看到他的每一粒进球,你大概都会有这样的反应。
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