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书接上文，此帖从#101开始搬运，时间线上来说是选秀刚完成的时间，欢迎各位继续讨论指正，万分感谢！

以下搬运均来源于Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread

#101 Cardinal

If Durant truly becomes available, could the Spurs put together a compe ive trade package? Would you even want them to? Would you move Murray, Johnson, future picks, and salary filler?

如果KD真的可以被交易的话，我刺会提供出一个有竞争力的交易方案吗？

你们会希望刺管这么做吗，比如提供出太子/KJ/未来签以及一些填充空间的球员？

#102 dokdok

So I'm guessing that with the amount of cap space we got we HAVE to be aggressive and just splashing out as much as possible. Is Ayton the only way?

所以我猜测，当我们带着这么巨大的薪金空间我们必须积极进取，尽可能多的把钱花出去。艾顿会是那个唯一选择吗？

#103 CGD

Time to call the Knicks and help them clear the capspace they covet for Irving or Brunson. They did just get those 3 OKC picks.

是时候打电话给尼克斯，帮他们清理出薪金空间来签下他们梦寐以求的欧文/布伦森了。他们刚刚得到了雷霆的3个选秀权。

#104 szkorhetz

no.You want to trade your two best players for an arguably better, but much older player just to play with your rooks and G-league fodders?Jeez.

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我不会。

你希望交易走球队里最好的两个球员，换取一个有争议的更好的但也年龄更大的球员，来和你的新秀们还有发展联盟球员们一起打球？天呐。。

#105 Cardinal

I agree. I wouldn’t do that trade either. Obviously it depends on the exact trade package (the Spurs can’t give up their entire future), but in general if the Spurs can trade for Durant while keeping Murray then I absolutely think they should. This would immediately vault them back into contention, and that’s the whole point of this process.

我同意。我也不会做那样的交易。显然这取决于确切的交易方案（我刺不能放弃整个未来），但总的来说，如果我刺能交易到KD且保留太子的话，我认为他们就该做这个交易。这会立刻使我刺变得有竞争力（原文是contention，我感觉是不是打错字了），这就是意义所在。

#106 Chinook

So Durant is definitely better, but you don't move Murray in the pursuit of Durant. You keep Murray, snag a max guy in free agency and then go all in on Durant. Obviously you keep who you can. But that has to be the structure of an off-season that involves a Durant trade.Anyway, if I'm Pop, I wait for the Grizzlies to release Green and then offer to let him rehab in SA and be a part-time coach for a while. I don't think Danny's future is in coaching, though stranger things, but I do think he can impart a fair bit of wisdom on the young guys. I think only Murray played on the team with Green at this point. All of the prospects know how to dribble, so we don't have to worry about Danny teaching them that. But they could all use some improvement with either defense or shooting. Having another guy with multiple rings in the building who craved out a role-player career doing those things might be a good counter-balance to the team's normal track of pushing young players to develop "star" skills immediately over role-player skills.

KD肯定是更强的球员，但你不能同时交易走太子。留下太子，然后在自由球员市场上抢到一个顶薪球员，然后全力以赴拿下KD。显然，你保留下了你可以保留的人，但这必须是涉及到KD交易的情况。

无论如何，如果我是波波，我会等灰熊队释出格林，然后让他在圣安东尼奥康复并担任一段时间的兼职教练。我不认为格林未来会执教，但我确实认为他可以贡献出他的影响力，为年轻人传授一些智慧，现在只有太子在球队中有这样子的影响力。所有的新人们都知道如何运球，所以我们不用担心格林去教他们，但他们都可以在防守或投射方面有所改进。让一个拥有多枚戒指的角色球员来做这些事情可能是一个很好的平衡，这与球队推动年轻球员立即发展明星技能而非角色球员技能的正常轨道形成了很好的平衡。

#107 JPB

Not that I would do this trade for the reasons beforementioned but Ido'nt think you can get Durant without losing Murray. He's spurs only real asset for a big trade.

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我不认为你可以在不失去太子的情况下得到KD，太子是我刺唯一的可以在大交易里使用的资产。

#108 Ariel

I love this draft for us as much as anyone, but let's not go overboard, these are 3 kids that just turned 19 and need some developing. Going all in for a Durant caliber star will likely mean other trades for established players that both cost us assets and block the development of our promising youth, and we can't have it both ways. We need to accept the process we're in and keep building on it, if we stay on course and flip Richardson and Poeltl for young long term assets, play this young core we just assembled and continue to look for opportunities to bolster our talent level (especially in the front court), this season our record may be worse, but we'll have another shot at a generational talent and it would be the final year of non-compe iveness. I think that route makes much more sense for us given the state of things. Rushing it sounds tempting, but will prove very costly in the medium to long term.

我和大家一样喜欢我们的这份选秀，但我们也不要太过兴奋。这3个孩子都刚满19岁，他们需要一些发展。全力以赴去得到KD意味着队内其他球员的离队，这既会花费我们的资产也会阻碍年轻人的发展，我们不可能两全其美。我们需要接受我们现在所处的过程并继续建设下去，如果我们将二叉和珀头换成年轻的长期资产，围绕我们的年轻核心继续寻找提高天赋水平的机会（尤其前场），这个赛季我们的成绩可能会更差，但是我们会有机会再次培养一代天赋球员，这将会成为我们失去竞争力的最后一年。我认为考虑目前情况，这条路线对我们来说更有意义。仓促交易听起来很诱人，但是中长期来看代价会很高昂。

#109 Mugen

I like this tbh. Danny is definitely a good vet to have around the young guys.

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老实说我喜欢这样，格林绝对是年轻人身边的好导师。

#110 mo7888

I still feel like we are getting closer to making a decision on a direction. We should either build with DJ or trade him and Jak for draft assets knowing we'll have a high pick in next years draft. If we build I still think Collins fits here and should come cheap. Since Atl publicly proclaimed they were trading him last night and didn't might erode his value even further. Richardson (or a future 1st that Richardson might bring) + a future second might do it... I'm not sure if I prefer to build or trade out on DJ because I think he's at about his peak and his timeline is different that the guys we just brought in... I just hope the direction becomes clear when FA starts..

我仍然觉得我们越来越接近做出建队方向的决定了。我们应该要么和太子一起建队，要么用太子和珀头去换选秀权，我们知道明年的选秀中我们会有一个高顺位签。昨晚老鹰已经宣布他们正在试图交易科林斯，科林斯的交易价值也不会进一步削弱了，所以即使我们重建，我仍然认为科林斯很适合这里，而且我们付出的代价也不会很多。二叉（或交易走二叉获得的未来首轮签）+一个未来的次轮可能就可以完成交易。我不太确定我更愿意围绕太子建队还是将他交易走，因为我认为太子目前处在他的巅峰期，他的时间线和我们刚带到队伍里来的年轻人们是不同的。我只希望在自由球员市场开启后，我们未来路线能变的清晰起来。

#111 Ocotillo

Last night may have lowered the odds of moving Jak. The teams that were said to have an interest (Charlotte, Toronto) picked up centers they may want to see how they fit. On the other hand, they may want Jak for a year while the rookies get their legs under them.

昨晚（选秀）可能降低了珀头被交易的可能性。那些对珀头感兴趣的球队（夏洛特/多伦多）挑选了他们想要的中锋，另一方面，他们可能会想要用珀头的一年使用权来让新人们在他羽翼下成长。

#112 mo7888

I don't think a 2nd rd pick by toronto addresses their need for a starting C next season at all... Charlotte is probably out but Toronto is still an option...they'll probably be more options in FA too..

我不认为多伦多在二轮的选秀能满足他们下赛季首发中锋的需求。夏洛特可能不会考虑珀头的交易了，但是多伦多应该还会考虑。他们也可能在自由球员市场中有更多的选择。

#113 poopbox

I think what we do with Poeltl will determine if we are really going to tear it down, or if we are trying to build something around Dejounte. I do not think we pay him what the market might demand next off season and I don't think Poeltl signs any type of extension without testing free agency. Trying to upgrade from him or trading him for nothing but picks would be a clear sign of where the front office thinks this team is going. Or maybe they already said that turning down the number 4 pick for 9 and Keldon and making the price for Dejounte so high it can damn earn only be paid by two teams that don't want Dejounte.

我认为我们对珀头的处理方式将决定我们是真的要重建，还是将围绕太子建队。我认为我们不会向珀头支付市场预期的薪水，而且我认为珀头也不会在没有试水自由球员市场的情况下签下任何形式的续约合同。尝试保留他继续升级球队，或是交易他换得选秀权，这样的选择将明确表明管理层设想的球队发展方向。或者说他们可能已经拒绝了用9号签+KJ换取4号签，并且将太子的要价设置到如此之高以至于只有不想要太子的两只球队才能达到。

#114 mo7888

I agree that a Poeltl decision will give us a pretty clear indication. . . I'm really hoping for some clarity in about a week or so..

我同意，对于珀头的处理决定将会给我们一个非常明确的指示，我真希望在未来一周左右的时间就能有所了解了。

#115 duncan2150

With all the draft and relative cap space in the books. It's pretty safe to say that the spurs will bid on a big this summer.Overall i think it's a good idea because there are several bigs in this FA : Ayton, Bamba, J Smith, even Hartenstein ..........

从选秀还有薪金空间来看，基本可以确定我刺这个夏天要去竞价一个大个子。

总体来说我认为这是个好主意因为自由球员市场上确实有几个大个子：艾顿、班巴、杰伦史密斯、甚至哈腾

#116 Imbebo

I'm not in for KD. Not like we are 1 player away from taking the next step. And moving onto KD derails a lot of what we've done the past 2 years. Besides having to shift to building around a 32? year old player post-achilles repair and putting vets around him. Sending out all of our youth. It could derail us even longer for 1-2 seasons of post season play?Plus, doubt he'd want to come here anyways.

我不支持去换KD，我们距离下一步看起来不像是只差一个球员，而且追求KD会破坏我们过去两年做的很多事。另外，我们这样子的话不得不围绕一个经历过跟腱伤病的32岁老将来建队，还要准备好很多医生来保护好他。送出我们所有的年轻人，这会破坏甚至超过1-2个赛季的努力？

此外，我很怀疑他想要来这里。

#117 John B

I was thinking they could’ve gotten Duren. Pistons only paid 2025 1st (from Portland), 9 mil for Kemba, and a 10-pick swap at last night 2nd round. Easily Spurs could’ve topped that. THEN it makes me thinking, Spurs are getting a bigger fish, either Ayton or Myles. It has to be.

我在想他们本可以获得杜伦，活塞只付出了2025年的首轮签（来自波特兰），还换到了900万薪资的肯巴沃克，还获得了昨晚二轮10顺位的互换。我刺很容易就能超过这些筹码，这让我感觉我刺在准备干一票大的，无论是艾顿也好小桥也好，肯定是的。

#118 scott

Durant makes no sense and we have no viable path to acquire him so not sure it is even worth discussing.Ayton also makes little sense. A marginal upgrade at C at a the cost of a $25 M differential is just bad management. Drafting Duran or Williams would have made more sense than going after Ayton.Yes Spurs have lots of cap space, but maybe their plan is to continue with some of these medium size moves and to extend our core.With that said, I still think Bridges would be a good target to give us a nice 3/4 rotation with KJ and Sochan

杜兰特的交易不现实，我们没有可以看得到的获取他的方式，所以我不确定这有什么讨论的价值。

艾顿的交易也不太现实，以2500万的差异为代价对中锋位置进行升级是个糟糕的选择。选秀大会上选择杜伦或者威廉姆斯比起追求艾顿来说更加说的通。

是的我刺是有很多薪金空间，但也许刺管的计划是继续一些中等规模的交易来提升我们的核心。

这样说来，我仍然认为小桥是一个很好的目标，他会给我们带来与KJ以及索汗在3/4号位的轮换。

#120 CGD

Saw this on twitter FWIW: “Knicks main focus is Jalen Brunson. Trade for Dejounte Murray secondary. #NBA”

我在推上看到了这个：”尼克斯首选是追求布伦森，交易太子是他们的次选。“

#122 Mr. Body

Yes, it seems fait accompli that they sign Brunson. Probably for too much. Knicks being Knicks and taking the Mavs' second best player in the POs.

是的，尼克斯签下布伦森看起来是既成事实了，可能他们给的实在太多了。尼克斯果然是尼克斯啊，他们要拿走独行侠第二好的球员了。

#123 CGD

Maybe but it also sounds like the Mavs really want him though, especially since they have few other ways to improve the roster around Luka.On the other hand, I think the Knicks would give up a lot to get Murray starting with those 3 picks they just got from OKC.

也许独行侠看起来是想留下布伦森的，尤其考虑到他们没别的什么机会来围绕77提升阵容。

另一方面，尼克斯如果想要太子的话，他们要放弃很多东西，首先就是他们从雷霆那儿得到的3个选秀权。

#124 DPG21920

Richardson and Doug should be prioritized to be traded. Get any future firsts you can even if it means taking on a year of a bad deal etc.Unless you can land Ayton/Lavine but outside of that clear the path for minutes and get as many picks as you can.

二叉和刀哥应该被优先交易，即使你不得不做一些糟糕的交易，你也要得到一些未来的首轮签。

除非你想要把艾顿/拉文带到我刺，否则你就应该清开一条路，获取尽可能多的选秀权。

#128 Mr. Body

Apparently there are family members of Brunson working for the Knicks along with his godfather.

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显然布伦森有些亲戚在和他的教父一起为尼克斯工作。

#130 Degoat

I doubt anything happens with Jakob but it would be nice to have a shooting big like Turner next to a guy like Sochan

我怀疑珀头不会被交易，虽然如果能通过交易获得特纳这样有投射的大个子的话搭配索汗会非常棒。

#131 scott

All those FRPs that NKY got are lotto protected right? If so, should have zero interest for the Spurs for DJ.

尼克斯得到的所有首轮签都是乐透保护的吗？如果是的话，我刺应该对交易太子没什么兴趣。

#133 Seventyniner

It would take a of a pivot to trade for KD. That kind of win-now move would require getting a big fish in free agency and sacrificing many of the picks and young players the Spurs have. But then again, what's the point of having those assets if not to use them? Some of the young 'uns will pan out but not all.

交易KD需要一个支点，这种赢在当下的操作需要我们在自由市场上钓到一条大鱼，并且要牺牲掉我刺拥有的很多选秀权以及年轻球员。但话说回来，如果不能使用到这些资产的话，拥有这些资产又有什么意义呢？一些年轻人会成功，但并不是所有年轻人都会成功。

#135

They don't have the lottery pics the spurs want to trade for Dejounte.

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尼克斯没有我刺想要的乐透签来完成太子的交易。

#136 poopbox

I think by value of getting Sochan you sort of have to do something with Poeltl cause Sochan and Poeltl together might actually create negative spacing for our guards until Sochan learns to shoot.

在得到索汗之后我们必须对珀头做点什么，因为索汗和珀头一起在场上的话会为我们的后卫们制造出非常糟糕的空间，直到索汗能习得投射。

#137 Leetonidas

Yeah spurs should make a hard push for Ayton. I doubt lavine is going anywhere

是的，我刺应该努力追求艾顿。我怀疑拉文哪儿都不会去。

#139 Tyrone Jenkins

I thought this might be an issue as well. I like Sochan so I think PATFO need a change in philosophy somewhat. Sochan is essentially Dennis Rodman (same hair color too). Offensively, he can be placed wherever in a half court set (out of the way really). This changes the offensive mindset but Sochan, if used correctly on defense, is so viable.Murray, Vassell, JK, Sochan and Poeltl look like a potent starting 5. First 2 players off the bench are McDermott (for Poeltl) and Primo for Vassell. Keep Sochan in but move him to C w/ Poeltl off the floor.Spurs still need a real backup PG. Ayton is nice but unrealistic. Need to package JRich and some others for someone like Spencer Dinwiddie or just do a uva job convderting one of the SGs (Primo isn't the answer for that IMHO)

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我也认为这会是个问题。我也喜欢索汗，所以我认为以波波为核心的管理层团队需要改变一下他们的篮球哲学。索汗本质上就是罗德曼（他们有着同样的发色）。在进攻端，他可以被安排在半场的任何位置，这改变了进攻端的观念。如果索汗在防守端被正确使用，这就都是可行的。

太子、哇塞、KJ、索汗和珀头看起来像是一个强力的首发五人组，替补席的头两位球员会是刀哥（替换珀头）以及小孩（替换哇塞），我们可以在把珀头换下场后将索汗作为中锋留在场上。

马刺仍然需要一个替补控球后卫。艾顿是很棒但是并不现实。我们需要打包二叉和一些其他资产去交易比如dvd或做一个内部挖掘将某一个得分后卫转换成控球后卫（小孩不会是控球后卫位置的答案）

# 140 scott

Still not understanding the rationale behind wanting Ayton. He's a marginal upgrade over Jak who will cost you +$25MM a year more. He doesn't shoot 3s and doesn't give you better floor spacing. Is he better than Jak? Sure, but he doesn't change the game or solve the problems that Jak's limitations create.If you are looking to fundamentally change the makeup of our team, I think a center like Mo Bamba or Thomas Bryant would be a much better fit. I'd even rather have a 4.5 like Jalen Smith over Ayton. I do not see how Ayton dramatically improves our team. Seems like ST is obsessed with him simply because he's a "star" who is a big, which is a perceived need of ours. We need a star, but our star doesn't have to be a C. Give me a serviceable C on a good deal like Jak and leave the flexibility in finding a star elsewhere.

我仍然想不通追求艾顿的合理理由。他是对珀头的升级，但是每年要多花2500万甚至更多。他也不会投射三分，不会提供更好的场上空间。他比珀头更好吗？是的，但是他不足以改变比赛，也不能解决珀头所有的局限性问题。

如果你想从根本上改变我们的球队，我认为像班巴或者托马斯布莱恩特这样子的中锋会是更合适的选择。比起艾顿我甚至更愿意拥有像杰伦史密斯这样子的。我没法想象出艾顿如何显著的改善我们的球队。着迷于他可能仅仅因为他是一个大个子”明星“，感官上是我们需要的球员。我们需要一个明星球员，但这个明星球员并不一定要是一个中锋。我们应该留下一个像珀头这样的蓝领中锋，然后保持灵活性去寻找一位其他位置的明星球员。

（本篇暂时更新到#140，考虑到这已经是外网兄弟们3-4天前的讨论了，可能会有一定时效性的问题，所以下篇可能考虑倒序进行搬运）