【众生相】美媒比较詹姆斯和乔丹38岁数据,外国球迷:他俩差的不是一点半点

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美媒StatMuse公布了乔丹和詹姆斯,在38岁时打出的赛季表现,勒布朗-詹姆斯场均能够得到,30.2分8.5篮板7.1次助攻投篮命中率50.5%,迈克尔-乔丹场均能够得到,22.9分5.7篮板5.2次助攻投篮命中率41.6%,两位历史级别的球员,在自己职业生涯的末期,如此“高龄”的情况下,还能够打出这样的数据,无不体现着他们的伟大,我们来看看球迷们对于二者在38岁时的表现有何评价!


Jordan didn’t really take care of his body in his later years. He left the NBA for many years and came back way later. Didn’t ever need to return. Not a fair comparison. One is 6-0 in the finals. Other is 4-6. That’s a 100% success rate vs 40%.

乔丹在他的生涯末期并没有认真保持好他的身体状态。他离开NBA几年后又回来了可是没必要再回来。这不是一个公平的对比。乔丹是6次进总决赛6次夺冠。而詹姆斯是10次总决赛4次夺冠。那是100%的成功率与40%的成功率的区别。

And finals record is a team thing and continues to be a terrible argument. LeBron is better individually.

总决赛战绩是一个团队的事情,这个论据太片面了。詹姆斯在个人方面更出色。


Jordan was absent for 3 seasons, and passed at age 38. Those numbers were really good. The game was different. That season only 6 players made 25+ PPG. In the current season, we have 20+ players with 25+ PPG. Stats without context are always horrible.

乔丹缺席了3个赛季,并在38岁时复出。这些数据真的很亮眼但是时代在变化的。那个赛季只有6名球员的场均得分达到25+。而本赛季有20多名球员的PPG超过25。抛开背景谈数据就是耍流氓

Okay what percentage of their teams points, rebounds, assists are they respectively? I'm gonna guess Bron is still leading each category. His shooting percentage is obviously way better

好吧,那他们的得分、篮板、助攻在球队中的比例分别是多少?我猜詹姆斯仍然在每个类别中领先。他的投篮命中率显然要好得多

The game was different? Yeah, they didn’t shoot 3s anywhere near as well back then as they do today. The game is “different” today because the general level of both athleticism and skill is far higher.

时代变了?是的,那个年代的三分球远没有现在这么准。现在的比赛是 "不同 "的,因为运动能力和技术的总体水平都提高了很多。


I understand the “modern medicine/knowledge/tech” around health today and “way more physical game back then” arguments but you really can’t take anything away from Bron. Legendary and will be missed when he’s done. This is coming from a Celtics fan.

我了解当今有关健康的“现代医学/知识/技术”和“当年比赛更看重身体对抗”的观点,但不管怎样,詹姆斯是个传奇。而传奇永不朽.这是一个凯尔特人队的球迷发言。


I can't wait until durant does something like this too!

我迫不及待地想看到杜兰特也加入到这个话题的讨论里!


One has 2x three-peat and never lost finals, other one lost 6 finals

一个有2次三连冠,从未输过总决赛,另一个输了6次总决赛


There are dozens of statistical comparisons that will place LeBron over MJ, but having lived through both of their careers, there’s no comparison.  There was an “inevitability” about Jordan’s 6 titles that I never felt about LeBron - you just had to be there.

有很多基于统计学的比较会认为詹姆斯比乔丹更伟大,但纵观两个人的职业生涯,他们间没有什么可比性。 乔丹的6个冠军有一种 "必然性",而我对詹姆斯从来没有这种感觉--你就仅此而已。


LeBron averaging 30 at 38 is honestly crazy and he just had a triple double.

If somehow LeBron wins a ring, he the goat cause it would literally be a decade difference from the first time he won a Ring.

詹姆斯38岁时平均30分确实令人难以置信,而且他又拿下了三双。 如果詹姆斯再一次夺得总冠军戒指,他就是历史最佳球员,因为这与他第一次夺冠相差整整10年。


The only comparison here should be ppg and fg%. MJ wasnt a good rebounder and passer as lebron. If you guys will compare stats you should compare jokic and embiid in their 38 years old season, too if they ever make it that far.

唯一值得比较应该是篮板球和投篮命中率。乔丹没有詹姆斯那么好的篮板和传球能力。如果你们要比较统计数字的话,应该比较约基奇和恩比德在他们38岁那个赛季中的表现,如果他们能打那么久的话。


Lebron: 4 finals wins

MJ: 6 finals wins

詹姆斯:4次总决赛冠军

乔丹:6次总决赛冠军


By their 38-year-old season:

LeBron —             Jordan —

4 rings                   6 rings

4 MVPs                 5 MVPs

4 FMVPs               6 FMVPs

0 DPOY                 1 DPOY

1 Scoring Title    10 Scoring Titles

在他们的38岁的那个赛季:

勒布朗—              乔丹—

4枚总冠军戒指        6枚总冠军戒指

4次常规赛MVP        5次常规赛MVP

4次FMVPs            6次FMVPs

0次最佳防守球员      1次最佳防守球员

1次得分王            10次得分王


Yes, Lebron has the best longevity ever we know this.  That doesn’t change the fact that Jordan was more successful during his prime than Lebron was during his prime.

是的,我们知道詹姆斯有史以来保持竞技状态最久的球员。 但这并不能改变一个事实,那就是乔丹在他的巅峰时期比勒布朗在他的巅峰时期更成功。

 Its a team sport. Jordan and the Bulls were more successful. They were the best roster in the league with the best player as well. They were favored in their finals matchups. They were supposed to win and did.

这是一项团队运动。乔丹和公牛队更成功。他们是拥有最好的球员,同时也是联盟中最强的阵容。他们在决赛中被普遍看好。他们就应该赢得比赛,并且也做到了。

The heat was also supposed to win in 2011 and they didn’t

热火队在2011年也本应获胜,但他们没有。

Dude took as many shots as bron per game and averaged 8 points less

乔丹每场比赛和詹姆斯出手次数差不多但平均分却少了8分


Jordan better in their primes.  Bron better in the twilight

黄金年华,乔丹璀璨; 烈士暮年,(勒)布朗绚烂。


Its not even close.. MJ was not as good as Lebron at 18 or 38... he just had a great run with a solid team that did not lose any core members without adding better ones in his prime years. Lebron is the superior player overall

他俩差的不是一点半点...乔丹在18岁或38岁时不如勒布朗。他的黄金时期仅仅是在一支实力雄厚的球队中有出色表现,并且在其巅峰时期没有失去任何核心成员,也没有补充更好的球员。詹姆斯总的来说是整体上更优秀的球员。


Yup and it's LeBron's 20th season vs MJ's 14th

是的,但这是詹姆斯的第20个赛季与乔丹的第14个赛季。


one retired and the other spends a mil on their body every off-season

一个是退役几年,而另一个人在每个休赛期都要花一百万美金在自己身上。

 

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裘达斯片面了,现在是正数第三了
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片面了 现在是并列第一了,

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LA菩提老祖希望AGE.38-40到时候也一起记录哈
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到时候再换一把枪罢了

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