【西海岸】N-科尔:人们爱说00年代是科比时代,但邓肯也很有分量
北京时间3月14日,近日,前NBA球员诺里斯-科尔在参加《Run Your Race》播客节目中谈到了邓肯,并将其与科比进行了对比。
科尔谈到了2013-2014年连续两年在总决赛面对马刺,他表示:“那是邓肯巅峰之后的事情了,那是在他巅峰过去后发生的事,他在系列赛里依旧能够场均砍下19+11这样的数据,他完全可以像小卡一样拿到FMVP。
“邓肯是GOAT之一,我知道人们喜欢说21世纪头10年是科比的时代,但我想说邓肯在那个时代也很有分量!他和OK组合都在西部,还在季后赛击败过他们两次,99年他打败了OK组合,还夺冠了!
“OK组合随后建立了王朝,但邓肯当时就像是在说,等会儿,接下来该轮到我开启我的王朝了。”
[1]”他说得对,邓肯配得上一切赞美,他能轻松进入历史前五。“
He’s right, Duncan deserves his flowers and is easily top 5 all time
[-]”他并不是历史前五。我不认为邓肯比奥拉朱旺强。“
He's not top 5 all time. I dont put Duncan over Olajuwon
[--]”当你考虑到蒂姆-邓肯的荣誉、生涯长度和篮球技术时,人们可能会不喜欢他是历史前五这个想法。他们无法接受,因为他不像科比那样是酷炫的得分手。“
People don't like the idea when you consider Tim Duncans accolades, longevity, and just basketball skills he is top 5. They just can't handle it cuz he wasn't a cool flashy scorer like Kobe.
[4]”马刺在没有邓肯的情况下赢下了60%的比赛。伟大的大前锋,但是00年代是属于科比的十年…“
The Spurs won 60% of their games without Tim Duncan. Great power forward but the 00's was Kobe's decade...
[-]”邓肯在那个十年里赢得了4枚总冠军戒指,所以我不太明白为什么说这是属于科比的十年,如果不考虑奥尼尔,这十年里科比只在09年和10年赢得了2枚总冠军戒指,而邓肯在05年击败了活塞,在07年击败了骑士,但03年每个人都试图忘记他是如何征服洛杉矶的。“
Duncan won 4 of his rings in that decade so not really understanding how it's Kobe decade Take Shaq out of the picture and Kobe really only won 2 rings that decade 09 and 10 Duncan beat my Pistons in 05 and got a freebe vs 07 Cavs but 03 everybody tries to forget how he cooked LA
[--]”为什么科比得去掉奥尼尔?那邓肯不也应该去掉大卫-罗宾逊吗?😅没有人忘记03年,他阻止了湖人四连冠。新泽西篮网再次被碾压。但说到打爆,01年湖人对马刺的系列赛怎么样?😎“
Why does Kobe have to lose Shaq? Shouldn’t Duncan lose Robinson too? 😅 No one forgets ‘03, it stopped the 4 Peat. New Jersey would’ve got steamrolled again. Speaking of cooking, how about the ‘01 Lakers vs Spurs series? 😎
[7]”这是属于邓肯的时代。邓肯用更少的投入达到了更多的成就。更多的mvp,fmvp,carry全队的表现。连续19年保持联盟前三的防守。连续19个赛季达到50胜。
从来没有在季后赛拉跨,从来没有抱怨过他的阵容。“
It's Tim Duncan's era. Duncan did more with less. More MVPs, Final MVPS, carry jobs. Anchored a top 3 defense for 19 years. 50 wins a season for 19 years.
Never choked in the playoffs, never complained about his roster.
[-]”投入更少成就更多……却在那个时期戒指更少……只多一个mvp....但有吉诺比利和帕克在身旁的大力支持....当然,自从科比有了奥尼尔,他用更少的投入做了更多的事情,我们也可以忽略科比在马刺对位时的惊艳表现。“
More with less... less rings in that period... one more mvp tho.... but had prime Manu and Tony alongside a good supporting for majority of it.... but sure since kobe had shaq he did more with less, also let's ignore kobe dog walking the spurs when they matched up.
[--]”为什么你表现得好像邓肯在1999年没有帕克和吉诺比利的时候没夺冠,或者2003年帕克还只有19岁的时候没有拿到过总冠军?邓肯都打出了最好的季后赛表现之一。“
Why are u acting like Duncan didn't win a chip in 1999 without Parker and Manu or in 2003 when Parker was still 19. Duncan had one of the best post season runs
[10]”科比打爆了邓肯。“
Kobe owned Tim Duncan
[-]”科比受益于在每次对决中都有更好的阵容,当邓肯在2005和2007赛季赢得冠军并打出令人难以置信的表现时,科比申请交易且没有进入季后赛。“
Kobe benefitted from having the better roster basically every single matchup, when Tim was winning titles and playing incredible basketball from 2005-2007 Kobe was requesting trades and not making the playoffs
[--]”你撒谎,邓肯整个职业生涯都有一个出色的阵容。科比要求交易是因为湖人没有给他任何帮助。在那十年里,邓肯赢得了三次总冠军,而科比赢得了五次总冠军,而且科比和邓肯交手记录占优。邓肯很棒,但科比更好。“
Lies Tim had a great roster his whole career stop cap. Kobe requested a trade because the Lakers wasn’t giving him no help. Tim won three in that decade while Kobe won five plus Kobe had a winning record against Tim. Tim was great but Kobe was better.
[13]”他去世后,那些黑他的人开始赞美他。
当他活着的时候,同样是这些人把邓肯排在他前面。“
Once he passed away those that hated him actually started loving him.
When he was alive those same people had Duncan ahead of him.
[-]”作为一个勇士球迷,我想我同意这种说法,尤其是因为我讨厌湖人,哈哈…在科比之前,我认为邓肯的总体成就高于科比,但在科比去世后,我看到很多人的看法都改变了……没有不尊重科比的意思,因为我非常欣赏他的天赋和职业精神。“
As a warrior fan, yea I think I agree especially since I hated lakers lol .. I had Duncan’s overall legacy ahead of Kobe and once he died I saw many people change up.. no disrespect to Kobe because I greatly appreciated his talent and work ethic.
[15]”NBA一个疯狂的事实:从1999年到2010年,NBA总决赛的主角要么是蒂姆-邓肯,要么是奥尼尔或者要么是科比。“
CRAZY NBA FACT : from 1999-2010 the NBA finals featured either Tim Duncan, Shaq or Kobe.
[-]”整整11年。这真的很疯狂。“
11 years. That’s actually wild.
[17]”邓肯可以说拥有更成功的职业生涯。“
Duncan arguably had the much more successful career
[-]”他在季后赛交手战绩上以2-4输给了科比,从来没有连冠,而且那个时代他只有4枚总冠军戒指,而科比有5枚。他也以1号种子输给过8号种子。“
He loss to Kobe in the playoffs 2-4 against him, never repeated, & only 4 rings in that era to Kobe’s 5. And also loss to a 8 seed as a 1 seed.
[--]”5个总冠军
2个MVP
3个FMVP
15次入选NBA最佳阵容
15次入选防阵
理论上,他的生涯确实更成功。“
5 rings
2x MVP
3x FMVP
15x all nba
15x all defense
On paper he did have the more successful career
[20]”不,和科比相比,他在那个时代就像猫头鹰一样沉默寡言。“
Nah he is silent as owl in that era compared to Kobe
[-]”更多的季后赛胜场,更多的mvp,更多的总决赛mvp,不像科比,他从来没有在常规赛中拿到少于50场胜利,你可以继续说了。“
More playoffs wins, more MVPs, more finals MVPs, unlike Kobe he never had less than 50 wins in a regular season, you can go on and on
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· 上海什么,还有认为邓肯不如科比的?
Whatabout_kobe
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