【西海岸】N-科尔:人们爱说00年代是科比时代,但邓肯也很有分量

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北京时间3月14日,近日,前NBA球员诺里斯-科尔在参加《Run Your Race》播客节目中谈到了邓肯,并将其与科比进行了对比。

科尔谈到了2013-2014年连续两年在总决赛面对马刺,他表示:“那是邓肯巅峰之后的事情了,那是在他巅峰过去后发生的事,他在系列赛里依旧能够场均砍下19+11这样的数据,他完全可以像小卡一样拿到FMVP。

“邓肯是GOAT之一,我知道人们喜欢说21世纪头10年是科比的时代,但我想说邓肯在那个时代也很有分量!他和OK组合都在西部,还在季后赛击败过他们两次,99年他打败了OK组合,还夺冠了!

“OK组合随后建立了王朝,但邓肯当时就像是在说,等会儿,接下来该轮到我开启我的王朝了。”


[1]”他说得对,邓肯配得上一切赞美,他能轻松进入历史前五。“

He’s right, Duncan deserves his flowers and is easily top 5 all time

[-]”他并不是历史前五。我不认为邓肯比奥拉朱旺强。“

He's not top 5 all time. I dont put Duncan over Olajuwon

[--]”当你考虑到蒂姆-邓肯的荣誉、生涯长度和篮球技术时,人们可能会不喜欢他是历史前五这个想法。他们无法接受,因为他不像科比那样是酷炫的得分手。“

People don't like the idea when you consider Tim Duncans accolades, longevity, and just basketball skills he is top 5. They just can't handle it cuz he wasn't a cool flashy scorer like Kobe.


[4]”马刺在没有邓肯的情况下赢下了60%的比赛。伟大的大前锋,但是00年代是属于科比的十年…“

The Spurs won 60% of their games without Tim Duncan. Great power forward but the 00's was Kobe's decade...

[-]”邓肯在那个十年里赢得了4枚总冠军戒指,所以我不太明白为什么说这是属于科比的十年,如果不考虑奥尼尔,这十年里科比只在09年和10年赢得了2枚总冠军戒指,而邓肯在05年击败了活塞,在07年击败了骑士,但03年每个人都试图忘记他是如何征服洛杉矶的。“

Duncan won 4 of his rings in that decade so not really understanding how it's Kobe decade Take Shaq out of the picture and Kobe really only won 2 rings that decade 09 and 10 Duncan beat my Pistons in 05 and got a freebe vs 07 Cavs but 03 everybody tries to forget how he cooked LA

[--]”为什么科比得去掉奥尼尔?那邓肯不也应该去掉大卫-罗宾逊吗?😅没有人忘记03年,他阻止了湖人四连冠。新泽西篮网再次被碾压。但说到打爆,01年湖人对马刺的系列赛怎么样?😎“

Why does Kobe have to lose Shaq? Shouldn’t Duncan lose Robinson too? 😅 No one forgets ‘03, it stopped the 4 Peat. New Jersey would’ve got steamrolled again. Speaking of cooking, how about the ‘01 Lakers vs Spurs series? 😎


[7]”这是属于邓肯的时代。邓肯用更少的投入达到了更多的成就。更多的mvp,fmvp,carry全队的表现。连续19年保持联盟前三的防守。连续19个赛季达到50胜。

从来没有在季后赛拉跨,从来没有抱怨过他的阵容。“

It's Tim Duncan's era. Duncan did more with less. More MVPs, Final MVPS, carry jobs. Anchored a top 3 defense for 19 years. 50 wins a season for 19 years.

Never choked in the playoffs, never complained about his roster.

[-]”投入更少成就更多……却在那个时期戒指更少……只多一个mvp....但有吉诺比利和帕克在身旁的大力支持....当然,自从科比有了奥尼尔,他用更少的投入做了更多的事情,我们也可以忽略科比在马刺对位时的惊艳表现。“

More with less... less rings in that period... one more mvp tho.... but had prime Manu and Tony alongside a good supporting for majority of it.... but sure since kobe had shaq he did more with less, also let's ignore kobe dog walking the spurs when they matched up.

[--]”为什么你表现得好像邓肯在1999年没有帕克和吉诺比利的时候没夺冠,或者2003年帕克还只有19岁的时候没有拿到过总冠军?邓肯都打出了最好的季后赛表现之一。“

Why are u acting like Duncan didn't win a chip in 1999 without Parker and Manu or in 2003 when Parker was still 19. Duncan had one of the best post season runs


[10]”科比打爆了邓肯。“

Kobe owned Tim Duncan

[-]”科比受益于在每次对决中都有更好的阵容,当邓肯在2005和2007赛季赢得冠军并打出令人难以置信的表现时,科比申请交易且没有进入季后赛。“

Kobe benefitted from having the better roster basically every single matchup, when Tim was winning titles and playing incredible basketball from 2005-2007 Kobe was requesting trades and not making the playoffs

[--]”你撒谎,邓肯整个职业生涯都有一个出色的阵容。科比要求交易是因为湖人没有给他任何帮助。在那十年里,邓肯赢得了三次总冠军,而科比赢得了五次总冠军,而且科比和邓肯交手记录占优。邓肯很棒,但科比更好。“

Lies Tim had a great roster his whole career stop cap. Kobe requested a trade because the Lakers wasn’t giving him no help. Tim won three in that decade while Kobe won five plus Kobe had a winning record against Tim. Tim was great but Kobe was better.


[13]”他去世后,那些黑他的人开始赞美他。

当他活着的时候,同样是这些人把邓肯排在他前面。“

Once he passed away those that hated him actually started loving him.

When he was alive those same people had Duncan ahead of him.

[-]”作为一个勇士球迷,我想我同意这种说法,尤其是因为我讨厌湖人,哈哈…在科比之前,我认为邓肯的总体成就高于科比,但在科比去世后,我看到很多人的看法都改变了……没有不尊重科比的意思,因为我非常欣赏他的天赋和职业精神。“

As a warrior fan, yea I think I agree especially since I hated lakers lol .. I had Duncan’s overall legacy ahead of Kobe and once he died I saw many people change up.. no disrespect to Kobe because I greatly appreciated his talent and work ethic.


[15]”NBA一个疯狂的事实:从1999年到2010年,NBA总决赛的主角要么是蒂姆-邓肯,要么是奥尼尔或者要么是科比。“

CRAZY NBA FACT : from 1999-2010 the NBA finals featured either Tim Duncan, Shaq or Kobe.

[-]”整整11年。这真的很疯狂。“

11 years. That’s actually wild.


[17]”邓肯可以说拥有更成功的职业生涯。“

Duncan arguably had the much more successful career

[-]”他在季后赛交手战绩上以2-4输给了科比,从来没有连冠,而且那个时代他只有4枚总冠军戒指,而科比有5枚。他也以1号种子输给过8号种子。“

He loss to Kobe in the playoffs 2-4 against him, never repeated, & only 4 rings in that era to Kobe’s 5. And also loss to a 8 seed as a 1 seed.

[--]”5个总冠军

2个MVP

3个FMVP

15次入选NBA最佳阵容

15次入选防阵

理论上,他的生涯确实更成功。“

5 rings

2x MVP

3x FMVP

15x all nba

15x all defense

On paper he did have the more successful career


[20]”不,和科比相比,他在那个时代就像猫头鹰一样沉默寡言。“

Nah he is silent as owl in that era compared to Kobe

[-]”更多的季后赛胜场,更多的mvp,更多的总决赛mvp,不像科比,他从来没有在常规赛中拿到少于50场胜利,你可以继续说了。“

More playoffs wins, more MVPs, more finals MVPs, unlike Kobe he never had less than 50 wins in a regular season, you can go on and on

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什么,还有认为邓肯不如科比的?

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用户1189773469邓肯不如科比,这是同时代球星的公论,比如和邓肯数次交手牛马大战打的火星撞地球的诺维茨基说科比毫无疑问是他打球生涯碰到最强的人,没有之一,论对科比和邓肯真实实力的了解程度,这个世界上没有几个人能够和诺维茨基相比,不懂球不打球的人才一天到晚研究那点纸面上的东西,当然了,我并不是说邓肯不强,邓肯毫无疑问也是历史金字塔尖级的超巨,最起码比詹姆斯这种水平的强多了
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诺维斯基还说詹姆斯拿4万分goat就没争议了你信吗。湖人三连冠时期对标邓肯的是奥尼尔,你一个副驾都坐不稳的人跑去跟别人司机比里程?

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